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In this episode of Wide Awake America, guest host Rich Logis sits down with Zachary Elwood, a political polarization expert and author of the new book How Contempt Destroys Democracy. Zach is also known for his psychology behavior podcast People Who Read People and his extensive work in the poker world. He shares insights into his journey from focusing on poker-related psychology to delving into the complexities of political polarization and conflict.
Rich and Zach discuss the impact of toxic polarization on American society, examining how contempt and extreme animosity can undermine democratic principles. Zach provides a candid look at his own experiences, including his initial reaction to the Trump election and how it spurred him to reflect on his own contributions to the divisiveness. He emphasizes the importance of understanding the roots of conflict and recognizing the rational and compassionate motives behind differing political views.
The conversation explores the challenges of changing minds in a highly polarized environment and the necessity of fostering empathy and reducing social animosity. Zach and Rich also touch on the broader implications of polarization for democracy and the importance of internal criticism within political groups to promote healthier discourse.
Tune in to gain a deeper understanding of the dynamics of political polarization and the steps we can take to bridge divides and strengthen our democracy.